Spectator Out Loud: Sam Carlisle, Alberto Giubilini and Taki
21 min listen
On this week’s episode, Sam Carlisle, a mother of a disabled child, says her family has been abandoned during the pandemic; Alberto Giubilini considers the ethics of lockdown; and Taki explains why New Yorkers are leaving the city in droves.
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